so, for some reason in the shower, I was thinking about how I was waiting for ling's new post on God's existence and I started to think of some awesome cool thoughts. Unfortunately, I don't remember most of them, but here's where I think they were going.
I had a conversation with Esther briefly at uni, and she asked the much asked, what do you believe in question, in which I replied with my usual there is something out there, some sort of mystical spiritual force that is part of our lives. This led to the thought that God is a personification of such force that I think of.
So then I think, maybe this God idea is born out of human arrogance. Hear me out.
Let's agree with my awesome assumption that there is a spiritual guidance out there for a moment. Luck, chance, fate, life etc. all of that is deviated from this spirit/force. So when something happens, good or bad, we want to reason that it was due to this, or that. Personifying this force/spirit into all powerful being is part of us wanting to have something to explain it, and making it into a being of sorts helps us relate to it, instead of being some unknown force out there in the universe.
The problem is, why is it a being that humans can relate to. If this force/being is something that created the world, the very life of our universe, then really it shouldn't relate to humans at all. We are sooo insignificant compared to the rest of the world, why should we be such a big deal to 'God'. Who are we to label something big flowing the whole universe along to a level that we can communicate to. A bit arrogant maybe?
Now, you can probably tell this isn't well thought out, and it has more than a few holes. But it was just a thought. Not a case against God or anything like that. Just a humble point of view from the shower.
question for the christians reading this: what was man's purpose in God's plan for everything? Were we his final product or something? I forget my early teachings...
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3 comments:
hey dave!!
i hope you dont mind me commenting here!! all really good questions!
most of the questions you pose can be answered (albeit from a christian perspective) via the bible.
God created us for His glory-Revelations 4:11-“You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being.” now this doesn't mean god created us for amusement/entertainment aka the sims. but god is a creative and personal being, and it gives him pleasure to create and have genuine relationships with other beings.
We are able to relate to god because we were formed in his image-Genesis 1:27-"So God created human beings* in his own image. In the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.' and you're right dave, when you make the point that we really have no right to this 'relationship'. the bible describes the best the human race has to offer are like rags at the feet of god. and that's why jesus came down to bridge the gap between god and man.
in regards to humans wanting to know the cause/reasons behind everything we observe, i fully agree. atheists choose to look to science for their answers, whereas christians in the bible. although, what i *think* you're alluding to is that people who believe in a 'God' practice blind faith, which i don't believe applies to christians courtesy of the bible. i can't speak for other religions.
hope this helps, andy
Cheers andy, didn't know you dropped by here ;D The bible references are well appreciated, answered my question well.
Some of what I'm arguing here probably don't apply in the christian point of view I guess, but thank you for your thoughts as well!
it's fine to think about it without bringing christianity into the discussion too i rkn.
here's some key topics, for whatever a person might believe:
morals, rationale, spirit, consciousness
is there such a thing as objective morals?
why do we think rationally?
do we have a 'soul' or something beyond the material?
why are we even conscious of such ideas and concepts?
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